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Independence vs independence
Balgove
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I’d like to see an independent Scotland. I was happy to vote for independence from the UK in 2014, and for independence from the EU in 2016. My decision in 2014 was made easier by it seeming clear that Scotland leaving the UK would also mean it leaving the EU. Genuine independence.

Now we are faced with the prospect of another Scottish independence referendum, and I am finding it hard to contain my fury at the SNP conflating Scottish independence with, in some manner, remaining in the EU. It is clear that they see political expediency in focusing on a half-hearted pro-European independence for Scotland. Perhaps we should call it “soft” independence.

It may leave us with a choice between independence from the UK, and indepence from the EU. Which is a choice I don’t want this country to have to make. If I have to vote to stay in the UK in order to keep us out of the EU, I will blame the SNP.

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The idea of independence makes plenty of sense to me too; I can at least see logic behind the opposing view, that the status quo of remaining in both the UK and EU - but the idea that Scotland should fight to stay in the EU (because the Scottish-EU trade is so huge) yet also leave the UK (with whom there is about four times as much) - or the assertion that Scotland would somehow have more influence over the EU (making up less than 2% of the population) than within the UK.

Hence, of course, the uncomfortable statistic for Sturgeon, that a lot of her own party members and voters actually voted "Leave" last year, and the polls showing the shift of 'no+Remain' voters switching because they lost being almost perfectly balanced out by 'yes+Leave' voters like us who see little or no appeal in Sturgeon's stated goal of "independence under Brussels".

Ironically, her chances of success could be determined largely by how little confidence we have in her ability to deliver the latter part: will we vote 'yes' in the hope she'll fail to navigate Article 49 in future, or 'no' to prevent the risk of her succeeding?

Re: My thoughts exactly

One other thing to add to my larger comment below. Most Scottish exports leave via England and aren't specifically recorded as being Scottish exports; so guesses about proportions of trade are exactly that - guesses. I'm sure the real numbers for trade with rUK will be big - but I'm equally sure they aren't as big as we're being told.

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